How to find trends that can’t be found with Google trends

Information overload: Everyone tries to get meaning, detect trends and spot key events.

We have ran a few experiments showing that focusing on influencers within a niche community and using eCairn’s conversation application, it is possible to :

  • learn faster than using Google Trends or any bottom up monitoring application
  • learn things that are invisible to Google Trends, although they are critical for a given community

Experiment 1: Android

First, on a hot topic that has hit main street not so long ago: Android, Google’s mobile platform aimed at competing with windows mobile, iphone’s platform, symbian and so on.

They’re 4 top device manufacturers in the open handset alliance: HTC, Motorola, LG and Samsung.
HTC has released the G1 in September and got tons of buzz but everybody did at this time as a rising tide lifts all boats.

Since mid September, leaks have pumped up the buzz on Motorola’s Android plan though their device isn’t yet on the market, not much info exists (from a mobile blogger’s knowledge) on LG or Samsung plans yet.

The charts coming from Conversation(tm) are based on a community of +400 mobile bloggers.

Here’re the charts (and by the way, we put together, as a comparison, trends from our application and google trends for HTC and Motorola - it’s not super pretty as we had to make the Google trends charts narrower):

htc_chart-google-trend1moto_chart_google-trend

samsung-android-combined1
The Conversation(tm) and Google trends look the same for HTC which is normal because they announced the G1 in September (i.e “the niche community of mobile bloggers and the public had the same information available to them). Looking at the Motorola charts, we can see that there was quite a few conversations in September, visible in the spike on the Conversation(tm) trends but not on the google trend. We also noticed that the second spike is super sharp in google though it’s not in Conversation(tm); as soon as mid October, the second buzz starts in Conversation(tm) though it’s only when Motorola confirmed they have an Android plan in the making that Google trends start to spike. Within the mobile blogger community, when HTC generated tons of conversations, there was at the same time quite a bit of speculation on Motorola; Based on our reading, several bloggers found some information making them think a big team was being put together at Motorola. While the conversation slowed down a bit, it restarted as soon as the rumor came back this time because some bloggers spotted interesting information on the web.

If one can draw a conclusion from this example, listening to a niche community enables an observer to understand inter-related stories as they unfold and to anticipate upcoming buzz. The more relevant your community to what you’re dealing with, the more of these effects you get…tools that gather data from the broader web will somewhat have a tendency to be reactive and tell stories after the fact.

Experiment 2: The Age of Conversation II

We ran the same trends on a very niche topic very relevant to social media marketing ‘The Age of Conversation II’. Unfortunately, google trends says that there isn’t enough search volume activity to display a chart.

But Conversation(tm) trends, ran this time against our list of ~1000 social media marketing blog, shows that the buzz has been growing lately on this topic:

the-age-of-conv

By the way, if you’re interested to read what they say about ‘The Age of Conversation II’, here’s an RSS feed from Conversation(tm)

Conclusion:

One of the major payback of closely following influencers is that you can

- See the story unfold,
- See a story that you wouldn’t see otherwise.

This is a critical know-how for companies that not only want to measure what just happened but make decisions relative to what’s about to happen and influence in return if they can.

Top 150 Social Media Marketing Blogs

We just implemented our “influence ranking algorithm”.

So we ran it against the ~1000 ’social media marketing’ blogs we monitor on an ongoing basis (along with tweets, forums, Q&As…).

We will publish the list every other month (please follow our Twitter account : ecairn for early notice).

Below is the top 150 list:
( When compared to the Adage Power 150 reference, remember we zoomed particularly on social media marketing. Plus the list contains only blogs written in English).

Here is an OPML Link, from Matt Shaulis, to the list if you want to import in your reader.

nov-08
1 C Brogan http://www.chrisbrogan.com
2 S Godin http://sethgodin.typepad.com
3 S Rubel http://www.micropersuasion.com
4 J Owyang http://www.web-strategist.com/blog
5 D Rowse http://www.problogger.net
6 R Scobleizer http://www.scobleizer.com
7 G Kawasaki http://blog.guykawasaki.com
8 B Solis http://www.briansolis.com
9 Lee Odden http://www.toprankblog.com
10 http://www.lifehacker.com
11 http://www.searchengineland.com
12 T Defren http://www.pr-squared.com
13 D Armano http://darmano.typepad.com
14 M Joel http://www.twistimage.com/blog
15 http://www.venturebeat.com
16 J Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com
17 P Kim http://www.beingpeterkim.com
18 D Meerman Scott http://www.webinknow.com
19 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com
20 http://www.mpdailyfix.com
21 V Maltoni http://www.conversationagent.com
22 http://www.doshdosh.com
23 S Holtz http://blog.holtz.com
24 M Collier http://moblogsmoproblems.blogspot.com
25 J Juice http://www.jaffejuice.com
26 http://www.imediaconnection.com
27 B.L Ochman http://www.whatsnextblog.com
28 S Israel http://redcouch.typepad.com
G Livingston http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog
29 http://www.searchenginejournal.com
30 D Scocco http://www.dailyblogtips.com
31 http://www.searchengineguide.com
32 http://www.seomoz.org/blog
33 N Hobson http://www.nevillehobson.com
34 D McLellan http://www.drewsmarketingminute.com
35 S Monty http://www.scottmonty.com
36 G Verdino http://gregverdino.typepad.com
37 J Falls http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com
38 http://www.seroundtable.com
39 J Pepper http://pop-pr.blogspot.com
40 Laermer Dugan http://badpitch.blogspot.com
41 M Dickman http://technomarketer.typepad.com
42 McConnell Huba (*) http://www.churchofthecustomer.com
43 S Boyd http://www.stoweboyd.com
44 B Kanter http://beth.typepad.com
45 J Moore http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy
46 http://www.socialmediatoday.com
47 K Huyse http://overtonecomm.blogspot.com
48 R Bhargava http://rohitbhargava.typepad.com
49 T Andrlik http://www.toddand.com
50 A Servonitz http://www.damniwish.com
51 http://www.socialmediaclub.org
52 http://www.grokdotcom.com
53 http://servantofchaos.typepad.com
54 http://prblog.typepad.com/strategic_public_relation
55 http://youngie.prblogs.org
56 http://www.adverblog.com
57 http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak
58 http://www.converstations.com
59 http://adverlab.blogspot.com
60 http://www.ck-blog.com
61 http://blog.futurelab.net
62 http://www.brainsonfire.com/blog
63 http://www.everydotconnects.com
64 http://weblogs.hitwise.com
65 http://blog.basturea.com
66 http://www.propr.ca
67 http://www.publishing2.com
68 http://bloombergmarketing.blogs.com
69 http://kdpaine.blogs.com
70 http://www.adliterate.com
71 http://www.adpulp.com
72 http://www.paulgillin.com
73 http://www.marketersstudio.com
74 http://www.craphammer.ca
75 http://tangerinetoad.blogspot.com
76 F Gossieaux http://www.emergencemarketing.com
77 http://www.mynameiskate.ca
78 D Fleet http://www.davefleet.com
79 http://heehawmarketing.typepad.com
80 http://www.prworks.ca
81 http://www.socialtimes.com
82 http://www.communityguy.com
83 http://flooringtheconsumer.blogspot.com
84 http://blog.hubspot.com
85 http://theblogconsultancy.typepad.com
86 http://www.canuckflack.com
87 http://www.conversationalmediamarketing.com
88 http://www.brandingstrategyinsider.com
89 http://www.tpemurphy.com/blog
90 http://www.techipedia.com
91 http://lgbusinesssolutions.typepad.com/solutions_to_grow_your_bu
92 http://www.pronetadvertising.com
93 http://www.christopherspenn.com
94 http://www.brendancooper.com
95 http://buzzcanuck.typepad.com/agentwildfire
96 http://www.stuartbruce.biz
97 http://blogs.hillandknowlton.com
98 http://www.noahbrier.com
99 http://www.onedegree.ca
100 http://www.hyku.com/blog
101 http://bloggingmebloggingyou.wordpress.com
102 http://neilperkin.typepad.com
103 http://marketingroi.wordpress.com
104 http://www.jimkukral.com
105 http://ringblog.typepad.com/corporatepr
106 http://blog.startwithalead.com
107 http://www.strumpette.com
108 http://buzzmarketingfortech.blogspot.com
109 http://www.commonsensepr.com
110 http://blog.ogilvypr.com
111 http://ries.typepad.com/ries_blog
112 http://paulisakson.typepad.com/planning
113 http://www.shirky.com
114 http://www.brandflakesforbreakfast.com
115 http://www.sixtysecondview.com
116 http://www.attentionmax.com
117 http://www.beyondmadisonavenue.com
118 http://thebrandbuilder.blogspot.com
119 http://www.socialmediagroup.com
120 http://blogtillyoudrop.wordpress.com
121 http://decker.typepad.com
122 http://www.stickyfigure.com
123 http://www.prconversations.com
124 http://theengagingbrand.typepad.com
125 http://mariosundar.wordpress.com
126 http://www.blogwriteforceos.com
127 http://leighhouse.typepad.com/advergirl
128 http://flacklife.blogspot.com
129 http://www.parmet.net/pr
130 http://www.crackunit.com
131 http://www.transmissionmarketing.ca
132 http://getgood.typepad.com/getgood_strategic_marketi
133 http://www.smallbusinesssem.com
134 http://www.chrisheuer.com
135 http://www.conversationmarketing.com
136 http://makethelogobigger.blogspot.com
137 http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser
138 http://www.gobigalways.com
139 http://www.ageofconversation.com
140 http://forrester.typepad.com/charleneli
141 http://www.customersrock.net
142 http://johnbell.typepad.com
143 http://www.rainierpr.co.uk/blog
144 http://www.nickburcher.com
145 http://www.collaboratemarketing.com
146 http://blog.bitepr.com
147 http://www.ownyourbrand.com
148 http://www.engageinpr.com
149 http://www.doughaslam.com
150 http://www.net-savvy.com/executive
(*) customerevangelist is the same blog- influence should be higher

Social media trends?

Trends, trends, trends. Businesses love trends.
Trends are a valuable source of information when we’re trying to manage or observe an activity overtime.  Are my sales going up? Is my cost going down? Are my customers more satisfied?
As someone told me years ago, “what you can’t measure, you can’t manage” and trends are a critical part of the measure.
So we just added our own piece to the puzzle by releasing Trends in Conversation (because our customers asked for it).

And the result is really very neat. Here’s a couple of examples from our application:

From our ’social media marketing’ project (~800 blogs we follow), we can now create a graph of how often bloggers talk about Obama & social media or McCain & social media.

Obama: McCain:

From our mobile/wireless project (~250 blogs), here’s the trend on Mobile Chrome. Bt they way, there isn’t (yet) a mobile Chrome (Google announced the desktop version a few weeks ago) but mobile bloggers are already speculating about the why/when/what/how ;-)


Social Media Listening in a Marketing Workgroup.

Our baby has grown again! In the last few weeks, we’ve added several cool features to Conversation™, eCairn’s web application for social media marketers:

  • Collaboration and sharing has never been better with the new annotations.
  • Finding the information you really care about has never been easier with the new filtering mechanism.
  • Our combo of ‘finding blogs’ features has been greatly enhanced.

A picture is worth a thousand words so here it goes:

Annotations:

Choose the action you want to take and view a record of all actions:

  • Recommend a post (To share with your team members)
  • Add notes (To keep a record of your own analysis)
  • Track comment (For your record and to do some follow up later on)
  • Forward (To notify someone in / outside of your team)
  • Plan action (To record a ‘todo’ )
  • Star a blog

Filters


Thanks to filters, you can narrow the posts’ list to what you really care about (it’s helpful when you have created a project to listen to x00 blogs and you have x00000 posts in your database). You can refine the results even more within a specific filter (for exemple, in a filter on social media marketing you could refine on twitter to get all the post talking about twitter). We also provide an RSS feed to those filters. With them, you can share with a broader audience on specific topics or create some very cool widgets or get an alert whenever something new has been publishing within them.

Add Blogs

mmm I think we should call it Add pages with an RSS ;-). Though our primarily focus is tactically on blogs, it’s possible to add other type of content sources into Conversation(tm). We have users adding stock ticker headlines like Yahoo AAPL healines or twitter search like Obama or McCain twittering.

The key addition this time is what we call ‘preferred search’. You can now save your searches (save only those that have brought back enough relevant results). When you do, Conversation™ will run them in the background and create a ranked list of suggested blogs that you can analyze at any time. We recommend you find 4 or 5 good searches combinations, save them and come back to check your suggested blogs once or twice a week.

So here is the new Add Blogs page:

Dell Hell: the Symbolic web learning

I find it amazing that the very story that made “social media”  known to a broad audience was made possible by the invention of an expression, a community code: “Dell Hell”

By coining the expression, “dell hell”, Jeff Jarvis made it possible to track the spread of his story around the blogosphere and measure its impact on Dell sales, share price aso.

Some data points:
Buzz and Jarvis represent a 25% market share of the “dell hell” search in google, for a total above 44K articles, way above “hp hell” or “apple hell“.

( :-) sound like if you’re a consumer electronic manufacturer, a 3K range in Google for “yourname hell” is a decent score which is quite a number, just compare to walmart hell )

With his story getting momentum, J Jarvis also created a symbol that signals whether someone belongs to the social media community or not. As you read this post, either you already know the story behind “dell hell” and this is a strong indication that you’re deep in social marketing or you don’t and you are probably not spending your life in social media.

So what’s the learning there:

- one of the paradigm shift of the social web, is that people are writing for communities and no longer building one size fits all articles. This means using symbols & styles to discriminate who’s in and who’s out, things that only community members (and our patent pending search algorithm) will spot and decode.
- people also collectively build “explicit routes” for the content to flow. Using trackbacks and blogroll to name a few, writers creates community maps that overlay the web structure and take an active role in a process that used to be left to search engines

This, to us, means that symbolic web is the best candidate for web3.0 in a context where the internet is transitioning from universal to social.

Social Media Integration: Monitoring and engaging 600+ blogs on social media marketing

As part of our day to day, we collect, organize, listen and engage with blogs and social media that talk about .. social media :-) and we’ve build and organized a list of 600+ blogs that relate to this topic.

We use this list (in our application) to:

  • spot what’s going on the larger social media community,
  • engage in a few conversations ( while keeping track of it)
  • engage in one to one discussions via email, Facebook or LinkedIn,
  • and advertise towards the blogs/social media properties that are “ad friendly”.

We’ve seen from time to time people asking for such kind of list : i.e a list of recommended social media marketing blogs.

There is obviously the excellent list from Adage and also numerous blog catalogs you can look at to build your own list .

Still, we’re wondering whether & how we could help.

Would you rather get

  • the blog list ?,
  • widgets that expose the posts that match your preferred topics ? (i’ve one in my Facebook profile)
  • searchable feeds

Do you think it makes sense to provide a sublist of blogs focused on: “Marketing with social networks”,” Adwords and web2.0″, “Verticals” …