How to find trends that can’t be found with Google trends

Information overload: Everyone tries to get meaning, detect trends and spot key events.

We have ran a few experiments showing that focusing on influencers within a niche community and using eCairn’s conversation application, it is possible to :

  • learn faster than using Google Trends or any bottom up monitoring application
  • learn things that are invisible to Google Trends, although they are critical for a given community

Experiment 1: Android

First, on a hot topic that has hit main street not so long ago: Android, Google’s mobile platform aimed at competing with windows mobile, iphone’s platform, symbian and so on.

They’re 4 top device manufacturers in the open handset alliance: HTC, Motorola, LG and Samsung.
HTC has released the G1 in September and got tons of buzz but everybody did at this time as a rising tide lifts all boats.

Since mid September, leaks have pumped up the buzz on Motorola’s Android plan though their device isn’t yet on the market, not much info exists (from a mobile blogger’s knowledge) on LG or Samsung plans yet.

The charts coming from Conversation(tm) are based on a community of +400 mobile bloggers.

Here’re the charts (and by the way, we put together, as a comparison, trends from our application and google trends for HTC and Motorola - it’s not super pretty as we had to make the Google trends charts narrower):

htc_chart-google-trend1moto_chart_google-trend

samsung-android-combined1
The Conversation(tm) and Google trends look the same for HTC which is normal because they announced the G1 in September (i.e “the niche community of mobile bloggers and the public had the same information available to them). Looking at the Motorola charts, we can see that there was quite a few conversations in September, visible in the spike on the Conversation(tm) trends but not on the google trend. We also noticed that the second spike is super sharp in google though it’s not in Conversation(tm); as soon as mid October, the second buzz starts in Conversation(tm) though it’s only when Motorola confirmed they have an Android plan in the making that Google trends start to spike. Within the mobile blogger community, when HTC generated tons of conversations, there was at the same time quite a bit of speculation on Motorola; Based on our reading, several bloggers found some information making them think a big team was being put together at Motorola. While the conversation slowed down a bit, it restarted as soon as the rumor came back this time because some bloggers spotted interesting information on the web.

If one can draw a conclusion from this example, listening to a niche community enables an observer to understand inter-related stories as they unfold and to anticipate upcoming buzz. The more relevant your community to what you’re dealing with, the more of these effects you get…tools that gather data from the broader web will somewhat have a tendency to be reactive and tell stories after the fact.

Experiment 2: The Age of Conversation II

We ran the same trends on a very niche topic very relevant to social media marketing ‘The Age of Conversation II’. Unfortunately, google trends says that there isn’t enough search volume activity to display a chart.

But Conversation(tm) trends, ran this time against our list of ~1000 social media marketing blog, shows that the buzz has been growing lately on this topic:

the-age-of-conv

By the way, if you’re interested to read what they say about ‘The Age of Conversation II’, here’s an RSS feed from Conversation(tm)

Conclusion:

One of the major payback of closely following influencers is that you can

- See the story unfold,
- See a story that you wouldn’t see otherwise.

This is a critical know-how for companies that not only want to measure what just happened but make decisions relative to what’s about to happen and influence in return if they can.

Answering your questions on ‘Top 150 Social Marketing Blogs’

Last week’s post dubbed ‘Top 150 Social Marketing Blogs’ generated several thousands visits in the last 2 days and a slew of comments.

This short post is attempting to answer most of your questions, starting with two words of advertising ;-)

eCairn and Social Relevance

eCairn is a software startup with a differentiated approach and technology around social relevance. We help marketing teams and agencies to focus and cut their relevant slice of the blogosphere, build and execute engagement strategies (learning, buzz, outreach, and advertising) and measure progress towards their social engagement goals.

Mapping a community is not an easy thing and, if you’ve looked at lists and catalogs that pop up all over the web, you know what we’re talking about. That’s where our Conversation(tm) solution comes in and let you rank your own list. If your interest is to get a similar list on a different community or vertical, please go ahead and register (1 month free-trial) or contact us from this blog via the “Contact us” page.

Measuring influence - Algorithm, Approach

Our list is built from our own definition of the social media marketing community and our technology to identify and aggregate relevant bloggers within that community - which we will not disclose.

The influence algorithm we use is purely link based and pretty straight forward. Its uniqueness is that we’re only counting the links within the dataset of 1000 relevant blogs, both blogroll and direct links. We have tried a few algorithms playing with

  • differentiating blogroll versus direct links,
  • weighting the links based on the influence of the «source»,
  • weighting more reciprocical links,
  • counting links at blog or post level.

We did not find major differences on the top of the list whether using one algorithm or the other. The list is very dynamic however and watching it for a couple of weeks, we have even seen changes within the top 4 (these top 4 tend to be really stable).

The list is subjective and brought few questions and surprises – btw influence is subjective. It’s actually the list of influential bloggers in the social media marketing community more than a list of social media marketing blogs.

Agreed that R Scoble or Search Engine Land as an example, do not talk much about social media marketing. But, these bloggers are heavily referenced by people that are influential in social media marketing and hence make it to this list.

We welcome suggestions and feedback and will incorporate them for a future release.

Do we read the blogs ? (twitter question)

The short answer is yes. We read our « star » blogs (top influencers plus a few others) on a daily basis and we also look for conversations on all the 1000 blogs that discuss our favourite topics.

Next steps

We plan to deliver some additional value; as an example we are seeing that the social media interest that started with PR and SEO is now expanding to product marketing and strategic marketing. We will look into measuring this.

We will publish the list every other month (please follow our Twitter account : ecairn for early notice).

Top 150 Social Media Marketing Blogs

We just implemented our “influence ranking algorithm”.

So we ran it against the ~1000 ’social media marketing’ blogs we monitor on an ongoing basis (along with tweets, forums, Q&As…).

We will publish the list every other month (please follow our Twitter account : ecairn for early notice).

Below is the top 150 list:
( When compared to the Adage Power 150 reference, remember we zoomed particularly on social media marketing. Plus the list contains only blogs written in English).

Here is an OPML Link, from Matt Shaulis, to the list if you want to import in your reader.

nov-08
1 C Brogan http://www.chrisbrogan.com
2 S Godin http://sethgodin.typepad.com
3 S Rubel http://www.micropersuasion.com
4 J Owyang http://www.web-strategist.com/blog
5 D Rowse http://www.problogger.net
6 R Scobleizer http://www.scobleizer.com
7 G Kawasaki http://blog.guykawasaki.com
8 B Solis http://www.briansolis.com
9 Lee Odden http://www.toprankblog.com
10 http://www.lifehacker.com
11 http://www.searchengineland.com
12 T Defren http://www.pr-squared.com
13 D Armano http://darmano.typepad.com
14 M Joel http://www.twistimage.com/blog
15 http://www.venturebeat.com
16 J Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com
17 P Kim http://www.beingpeterkim.com
18 D Meerman Scott http://www.webinknow.com
19 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com
20 http://www.mpdailyfix.com
21 V Maltoni http://www.conversationagent.com
22 http://www.doshdosh.com
23 S Holtz http://blog.holtz.com
24 M Collier http://moblogsmoproblems.blogspot.com
25 J Juice http://www.jaffejuice.com
26 http://www.imediaconnection.com
27 B.L Ochman http://www.whatsnextblog.com
28 S Israel http://redcouch.typepad.com
G Livingston http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog
29 http://www.searchenginejournal.com
30 D Scocco http://www.dailyblogtips.com
31 http://www.searchengineguide.com
32 http://www.seomoz.org/blog
33 N Hobson http://www.nevillehobson.com
34 D McLellan http://www.drewsmarketingminute.com
35 S Monty http://www.scottmonty.com
36 G Verdino http://gregverdino.typepad.com
37 J Falls http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com
38 http://www.seroundtable.com
39 J Pepper http://pop-pr.blogspot.com
40 Laermer Dugan http://badpitch.blogspot.com
41 M Dickman http://technomarketer.typepad.com
42 McConnell Huba (*) http://www.churchofthecustomer.com
43 S Boyd http://www.stoweboyd.com
44 B Kanter http://beth.typepad.com
45 J Moore http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy
46 http://www.socialmediatoday.com
47 K Huyse http://overtonecomm.blogspot.com
48 R Bhargava http://rohitbhargava.typepad.com
49 T Andrlik http://www.toddand.com
50 A Servonitz http://www.damniwish.com
51 http://www.socialmediaclub.org
52 http://www.grokdotcom.com
53 http://servantofchaos.typepad.com
54 http://prblog.typepad.com/strategic_public_relation
55 http://youngie.prblogs.org
56 http://www.adverblog.com
57 http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak
58 http://www.converstations.com
59 http://adverlab.blogspot.com
60 http://www.ck-blog.com
61 http://blog.futurelab.net
62 http://www.brainsonfire.com/blog
63 http://www.everydotconnects.com
64 http://weblogs.hitwise.com
65 http://blog.basturea.com
66 http://www.propr.ca
67 http://www.publishing2.com
68 http://bloombergmarketing.blogs.com
69 http://kdpaine.blogs.com
70 http://www.adliterate.com
71 http://www.adpulp.com
72 http://www.paulgillin.com
73 http://www.marketersstudio.com
74 http://www.craphammer.ca
75 http://tangerinetoad.blogspot.com
76 F Gossieaux http://www.emergencemarketing.com
77 http://www.mynameiskate.ca
78 D Fleet http://www.davefleet.com
79 http://heehawmarketing.typepad.com
80 http://www.prworks.ca
81 http://www.socialtimes.com
82 http://www.communityguy.com
83 http://flooringtheconsumer.blogspot.com
84 http://blog.hubspot.com
85 http://theblogconsultancy.typepad.com
86 http://www.canuckflack.com
87 http://www.conversationalmediamarketing.com
88 http://www.brandingstrategyinsider.com
89 http://www.tpemurphy.com/blog
90 http://www.techipedia.com
91 http://lgbusinesssolutions.typepad.com/solutions_to_grow_your_bu
92 http://www.pronetadvertising.com
93 http://www.christopherspenn.com
94 http://www.brendancooper.com
95 http://buzzcanuck.typepad.com/agentwildfire
96 http://www.stuartbruce.biz
97 http://blogs.hillandknowlton.com
98 http://www.noahbrier.com
99 http://www.onedegree.ca
100 http://www.hyku.com/blog
101 http://bloggingmebloggingyou.wordpress.com
102 http://neilperkin.typepad.com
103 http://marketingroi.wordpress.com
104 http://www.jimkukral.com
105 http://ringblog.typepad.com/corporatepr
106 http://blog.startwithalead.com
107 http://www.strumpette.com
108 http://buzzmarketingfortech.blogspot.com
109 http://www.commonsensepr.com
110 http://blog.ogilvypr.com
111 http://ries.typepad.com/ries_blog
112 http://paulisakson.typepad.com/planning
113 http://www.shirky.com
114 http://www.brandflakesforbreakfast.com
115 http://www.sixtysecondview.com
116 http://www.attentionmax.com
117 http://www.beyondmadisonavenue.com
118 http://thebrandbuilder.blogspot.com
119 http://www.socialmediagroup.com
120 http://blogtillyoudrop.wordpress.com
121 http://decker.typepad.com
122 http://www.stickyfigure.com
123 http://www.prconversations.com
124 http://theengagingbrand.typepad.com
125 http://mariosundar.wordpress.com
126 http://www.blogwriteforceos.com
127 http://leighhouse.typepad.com/advergirl
128 http://flacklife.blogspot.com
129 http://www.parmet.net/pr
130 http://www.crackunit.com
131 http://www.transmissionmarketing.ca
132 http://getgood.typepad.com/getgood_strategic_marketi
133 http://www.smallbusinesssem.com
134 http://www.chrisheuer.com
135 http://www.conversationmarketing.com
136 http://makethelogobigger.blogspot.com
137 http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser
138 http://www.gobigalways.com
139 http://www.ageofconversation.com
140 http://forrester.typepad.com/charleneli
141 http://www.customersrock.net
142 http://johnbell.typepad.com
143 http://www.rainierpr.co.uk/blog
144 http://www.nickburcher.com
145 http://www.collaboratemarketing.com
146 http://blog.bitepr.com
147 http://www.ownyourbrand.com
148 http://www.engageinpr.com
149 http://www.doughaslam.com
150 http://www.net-savvy.com/executive
(*) customerevangelist is the same blog- influence should be higher